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	<title>Comments on: Spying on Americans</title>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://nmallory.exit-23.net/20051220/spying-on-americans#comment-664</link>
		<author>Andy</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Well - everyone loves a good conspiracy theory but don't you think in this case that it's mainly good, old-fashioned arrogance. Cheney, Rummy and Bush have passed the last 5 years cocooned in a world where they see themselves as godlike - where nothing can harm them - where votes no longer matter because congress is Republican so - we can do what the hell we want and y'all can't stop us! At least - that is what it looks like from this side of the Atlantic.

The reality is of course, as Nixon found out to his cost - there is a line. It might move depending which party has power but it is there all the same. And when you cross it, even your friends and hangers-on start to disappear into the night to protect their own backsides. Seems to me the cracks are starting to appear but the arrogance is still in place!

Good to see you back by the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well - everyone loves a good conspiracy theory but don&#8217;t you think in this case that it&#8217;s mainly good, old-fashioned arrogance. Cheney, Rummy and Bush have passed the last 5 years cocooned in a world where they see themselves as godlike - where nothing can harm them - where votes no longer matter because congress is Republican so - we can do what the hell we want and y&#8217;all can&#8217;t stop us! At least - that is what it looks like from this side of the Atlantic.</p>
<p>The reality is of course, as Nixon found out to his cost - there is a line. It might move depending which party has power but it is there all the same. And when you cross it, even your friends and hangers-on start to disappear into the night to protect their own backsides. Seems to me the cracks are starting to appear but the arrogance is still in place!</p>
<p>Good to see you back by the way.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Dog</title>
		<link>http://nmallory.exit-23.net/20051220/spying-on-americans#comment-676</link>
		<author>Big Dog</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Dec 2005 23:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I have yet to see where anyone was spied on illegally.  I think all the surveillance took place within the law as spelled out in 50 USC.  

The surveillance was on calls to foreign countries and from people who were already suspects.  While the NSA will not comment, indications are that if they determined that both ends of the communication were in the US then a warrant was obtained or they stopped the surveillance.

I am amazed that people find this to be a big deal when every President since Carter has been doing this very thing.  

I would have more respect for people if they were as upset that there was a leak of classified information.  You know, like the supposed leak about Plame's supposed covert status.  The legality of the issue can be argued in court without it being made public.  When the person or persons revealed the program, they broke the law, regardless of what people feel about the legality (two different issues).  If the leakers had a problem they know the proper channels.  Suppose this all gets investigated and is deemed legal, too late, the enemy now knows....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have yet to see where anyone was spied on illegally.  I think all the surveillance took place within the law as spelled out in 50 USC.  </p>
<p>The surveillance was on calls to foreign countries and from people who were already suspects.  While the NSA will not comment, indications are that if they determined that both ends of the communication were in the US then a warrant was obtained or they stopped the surveillance.</p>
<p>I am amazed that people find this to be a big deal when every President since Carter has been doing this very thing.  </p>
<p>I would have more respect for people if they were as upset that there was a leak of classified information.  You know, like the supposed leak about Plame&#8217;s supposed covert status.  The legality of the issue can be argued in court without it being made public.  When the person or persons revealed the program, they broke the law, regardless of what people feel about the legality (two different issues).  If the leakers had a problem they know the proper channels.  Suppose this all gets investigated and is deemed legal, too late, the enemy now knows&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Dog</title>
		<link>http://nmallory.exit-23.net/20051220/spying-on-americans#comment-677</link>
		<author>Big Dog</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Dec 2005 23:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;em&gt;“The president does not get to pick and choose which laws he wants to follow.”
– Senator Russell Feingold, Democrat [1]&lt;/em&gt;

Unless he is a Democratis President.  Of course, all Congresspersons get to pick and choose.  Schumer and the illegal credit reports, Kennedy and the false police reports, Kerry and the protests while a memeber of the armed forces, Kerry while meeting with the enemy.

It all usually depends upon whose ox is being gored...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>“The president does not get to pick and choose which laws he wants to follow.”<br />
– Senator Russell Feingold, Democrat [1]</em></p>
<p>Unless he is a Democratis President.  Of course, all Congresspersons get to pick and choose.  Schumer and the illegal credit reports, Kennedy and the false police reports, Kerry and the protests while a memeber of the armed forces, Kerry while meeting with the enemy.</p>
<p>It all usually depends upon whose ox is being gored&#8230;</p>
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